We love the things we grew up with.
Sometimes maybe a little too much.
A conversation with Ian about Halo sent Nate down a rabbit hole: why do certain corners of fandom seem determined to hate the very things they claim to love?
From Halo and Star Wars to the MCU, Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles and Doctor Who.
What happens when “this is the version I love” becomes “this is the only version that counts”?
What if the games, movies and shows we're desperately trying to protect aren't really what we're holding onto at all? What if we're trying to protect the person, we were when we first fell in love with them?
This week, we're digging into memory, fandom, outrage, getting older, and the uncomfortable possibility that when we say “it was better back then” ...
sometimes what we really mean is:
“I was happier back then.”
So, grab the second controller.
We're going down a rabbit hole.
Show Notes / Research
AJN encourages listeners to verify information independently. Primary and academic sources used for this episode are listed below.
The Reminiscence Bump & Autobiographical Memory - Research consistently finds that people disproportionately recall autobiographical memories from youth and early adulthood, although the exact age range varies depending on how memories are elicited. Identity formation, novel experiences and culturally significant life events are among the explanations researchers have explored.
Recent Advances in Understanding the Reminiscence Bump — PMC/NIH
Understanding the Reminiscence Bump: A Systematic Review — PMC/NIH
Rosy Retrospection - A classic series of studies by Mitchell, Thompson, Peterson and Cronk found that participants' later recollections of meaningful experiences were more positive than their evaluations while those experiences were actually occurring—the “rosy view” phenomenon we discuss in the episode.
Temporal Adjustments in the Evaluation of Events: The “Rosy View” — PubMed
Media as Autobiographical Memory Cues - Research has also examined the reminiscence bump specifically in relation to cultural material including music and movies, supporting the episode's broader idea that media can become intertwined with memories of particular periods of our lives.
The Temporal Distribution of Autobiographical Memory — PMC/NIH
Outrage & Social Media - Research into online behavior suggests social feedback can reinforce posting behavior, while other work has found that people can overperceive the amount of moral outrage expressed online—potentially making groups appear more hostile than their members actually report feeling. The research is more nuanced than simply “algorithms make everyone angry,” and some claims about moral-emotional contagion have been challenged in subsequent work.
A Computational Reward Learning Account of Social Media Engagement — Nature Communications
Overperception of Moral Outrage in Online Social Networks — Nature Human Behaviour
Halo Infinite's Missing Launch Features - Halo Studios' own updates acknowledged that Forge did not launch alongside Halo Infinite and that campaign network co-op and split-screen co-op remained in development after release.
Halo Infinite Season 1 Outcomes Report — Halo Waypoint
Halo Infinite Update — March 2022 — Halo Waypoint
Marvel's Post-Endgame Output - Disney CEO Bob Iger acknowledged in a 2024 earnings call that increased volume could be detrimental to quality and said Disney had reduced output, “particularly at Marvel,” while focusing more heavily on quality.
The Walt Disney Company Q1 FY2024 Earnings Transcript
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